Quote Originally Posted by CoeburnCane View Post
None of you get it at all.

I can be happy winning the ACC, but to be continually striving to get good enough just to win the conference--that I can't abide by. Miami hasn't had a coach capable of doing anything more than coming close to winning the ACC Coastal in the past 2 hires, and we haven't even done that yet. If we have a coach that's less focused on "rebuilding" and more focused on "this is what wins national titles, this is how we're going to do it", then ACC titles and being a serious MNC contender will come.

I want a coach who's greater goal is the national title and doesn't expect anything less. The company line I kept hearing out of Coker/Shannon was "we're trying to build this program back and it's going to take time". That may sound like solid coach speak, but all it was was a built in excuse for when they did, indeed, end up failing. I'm sick of father figures, I'm sick of guys who toss coach speak out there, and then make excuses like throwing their players or assistants under the bus when things don't go well.

And Drew--save the holier-than-thou condescending VT crap for someone else. You guys have a national title case that's EMPTY in your locker room. Beamer's got the right idea, but there simply is still something left that he hasn't gotten fixed yet. Now, whether it's him, his staff, the way they recruit, or something else--he still hasn't found it yet. Kudos to him for trying--I won't knock anybody for that.

However, to continually talk about how many ACC titles one has won, and take utmost pride in that, it signals to me that on some level--that's good enough for him. If Beamer ever got really upset over another ACC title and finally said something to the effect of, "this ACC title is nice, but man--sooner or later, we have to start winning national titles", I'd be impressed, and you guys would probably win one if he made that the goal. There's a certain drive he's lacking, to me, and if he'd ever exhibit it, maybe that empty title case wouldn't be so empty.

And that--in a nutshell, is why I don't want a Beamer type. I don't want to continually be teased into feeling like I'm a national title contender b/c of multiple ACC titles under my belt, only to be kicked in the nuts yearly when we don't. There aren't many of those coaches in the nation who are the guy that can take you past conference titles and into serious national title contention, and as good as Beamer is--he's starting to slip into that territory of "good, but not good enough". I don't want to get stuck with a coach like that. I want to get an elite coach who has that something extra to get us into serious contention. When we get that--ACC titles will come easily, and national titles will be the main concern.

All of that is ultimately why I'm not sold on a hire like Tuberville, Golden, or Edsall. All of those guys seem to be that "good, but not good enough" type. Could one of them build us up to win the ACC? Sure. Could one of them win a national title? Highly unlikely, in my opinion. That's why I wanted a guy like a Petersen, Leach, or Gruden. Those guys seem like to me the guy that could win a national title.
No, you dont understand what Stripes and I are saying.
Every coach at a big program is trying to win the national title. Thats the ultimate goal for all big time coaches, winning it all.
But teams just do not jump from 7 wins to winning titles in a year. You have to build the program up, bring in better recruits, develop talent better, motivate the kids better, before you can expect to win a title.
Let's face it; the Miami cupboard is not overflowing with top shelf cookies anymore, its got a couple good cookies and the rest are non-fat wheat thins. A coach will not walk into Miami and win a national title next year, it just wont happen. There is simply not enough there to win a title with the talent there.

So you have to get a program back to the level of competing for conference titles, getting all those 5* recruits, being a national power by taking steps up the ladder. You seem to think that a team can just leap to the top, that never happens. You have to get there first. A coach has the goal of winning a national title, of course. No coach is gonna go in and say they only want to win the ACC, thats silly.
But you have to be able to win conference titles before you can win national titles. A good coach can do that. Tubberville, Edsall, etc.. have proven to be coaches who can win those games.
And like I've said, once you start competing for conference titles, have the Miami program back into the top 5, then you can honestly say you can plan to win a title.
But you seem to want a magic wand, for a coach to be hired then magically make Ed Reed and Clinton Portis-type players appear and win a national title in his first year. That does not happen, anywhere. A team has to be built to win national titles, it doesnt just happen. And to build a contender, you have to win big games, make those strides as a program.
It does not happen overnight.

And the part in bold; what has Leach or Peterson ever won that Tubbs or Edsall hasnt? Leach never won the Big XII, much less ever competed for a national title. Peterson the same. How many BCS rings do they have?
Thats my point. A national title is much, much harder to win now than it was in the 80's when Miami was an independent and didnt need a conference to win a title. Now, that will not happen. There is so much more talent spread out, so many more good teams that can beat great teams on an off night, etc.. So winning a title is a much more difficult task, and a guy like Tubberville, who has won the SEC before and build Auburn up to a national title contender (in 04, when they got screwed out of title game), has been there before, and has more experience at a top program than Leach (who has 0 Big XII titles) and Peterson (never coached at a BCS school).